00:01I'm going to introduce a guy that I've known for seven or eight years, Kimon Onuma, who's an architect, digital guru...

00:08...evangelist for BIM, and the integration of BIM with GIS...

00:12...and he's going to blow your minds and knock your socks off. And that's going to be an understatement.

00:17So I had lunch with some folks earlier today, and I said, Okay, here's where we are with geodesign in our minds...

00:24...and here's what Kimon's going to show you at 4 o'clock.

00:29Now take that differential and project it ahead and multiply it by 10, and that's where we're going, right?

00:37And a little about Kimon. Kimon is very soft-spoken, very modest, very quiet...

00:43...until you see his work and then he's quite provocative, quite attention-getting...

00:51...quite stimulating, and I think you're going to enjoy the hour.

00:54What's he's going to do for you is, he's going to redesign Hong Kong in an hour, live.

00:59Kimon Onuma, thank you.

01:05Thank you, Bill, and thank you very much to Esri for having me here. I'm very excited to be presenting.

01:12So the title of my presentation is Getting Real with BIM, getting real with geodesign and BIM.

01:17How many of you know what BIM is? Okay, everybody, just about, at a different level.

01:23Mashing up geospatial models with facility models.

01:27Just a little bit of background. We've been using BIM since 1993...

01:31...before it was even known as BIM, but it's essentially the same technology. It's advanced obviously since then.

01:36A lot of our clients were working with GSA and Corps of Engineers and school districts... it's been getting pretty exciting in the last couple of years. I though it was going to hit like in 1995.

01:47It took this long to finally kind of kick into gear and I think this year it somehow seems to be right.

01:51And this convergence that's happening and things that are connecting with the geospatial world with BIM... a very exciting place to be and I think's a great place to be.

02:02So here's some early BIMs that we were doing in 1993 with the navy and the army.

02:06We weren't telling them that we were using BIM.

02:08We were delivering paper basically, and an interesting thing about it is we were using ArcCAD at the time, and we still do.

02:13We use ArcCAD and Revit as well. But a lot of that kind of overlapped a little bit conceptually with GIS.

02:18We had a 2,000 housing unit navy base for example, in 1993, with the technology back then.

02:25And we had to get pretty creative about how we managed the model...

02:28...because it was obviously...the processing power back then was a little bit less than it is today.

02:33I always like to start with this slide.

02:35I say, today the technology exists to get on the Internet and to make a reservation, real time.

02:41Ask a question, it gives you the price of a ticket in a simple interface.

02:45There's no BIM training or GIS training or anything. Basically, ask it a question, it gives you a bid in real time.

02:51It doesn't say, How much fuel would you like on the plane? It doesn’t say, Would you like the pilot's seat?

02:57It actually is intelligent. It says, Would you like a hotel to go with that?

03:01Simple. Simplicity is key. And that's what's driving everything that's happening in the last few years... we notice on the Internet and with the smart devices and everything.

03:10So how do we get there? The building industry is not there today.

03:14And I'd like to just flip to a present...animation real quickly here.

03:20Oops. I thought I had it open. Sorry. Let's go back to...okay.

03:35So here's to architecture. I'm an architect, that's my background, so I look at it from that perspective, architecture.

03:43We learn from the past, we dream about the future, we design it, we build it, we imagine it, and then we construct it.

03:53Some think we're crazy. We're doing crazy things with our environment.

03:59We're legends. We're teachers. We're dreamers. We think outside the box. We create poetry with gravity and light.

04:07We build. We inspire. We design everything from chairs to iconic buildings to entire cities.

04:19We move civilization forward, but there's a problem.

04:26Henry Ford once said, "If I ask my customers what they wanted, they would have said, 'A faster horse.' " Henry Ford.

04:35The building industry's pretty much still stuck in the nineteenth century.

04:38We're using processes and tools stuck in the past, even with BIM.

04:43We're not there yet. There's a huge gap still, so there's a lot of potential.

04:47The twenty-first century train is leaving the station.

04:53The US Coast Guard says the data about our facilities is more valuable than the physical facility itself.

05:00The buildings are just containers for their business. Life cycle, buildings are just boxes.

05:05The information of BIM is what drives everything. We are in the information age, and that's what drives everything.

05:12How do we get information and knowledge connected together? It's not about the tools.

05:15There are a lot of tools out there, and open standards and integration between these different processes is critical.

05:21It's incredibly complex, but we need to keep it simple. If we don't keep it simple, we'll never solve the complex problems.

05:28So back to Expedia. Expedia is simple. Anybody can use it. You can make a decision, real time.

05:34You don't go and print out every schedule out there today in a PDF...

05:38...and save it, and say I'll come back to it tomorrow. It wouldn't work.

05:41BIM can be simple. This is a BIM in our world. An Excel file that says, Here are the spaces I need...'s the size of the space, drive it into a model server, and you'll see a little bit more of this later actually.

05:52Model Server on the web, real time, service-oriented architecture, cloud computing, BIM, and GIS connected.

06:00This has been going on for years for us. BIM storms have started about three years ago.

06:03This is Penn State involved in a BIM storm with 140 teams from around the world in 24 hours, designing 420 buildings.

06:11Crazy, right? It's not a real project, but this is how we drive our real projects...

06:15...having geospatial data connected all the way from the world level to the city level to the building level... the inside of the building, the piece of equipment in the building, to that light that's on in the room...

06:26...and it's connected to a sensor. Everything has a latitude and longitude connected together.

06:30So the intersection between BIM and GIS is where the explosion's happening.

06:34When you connect the two, information absolutely explodes in value.

06:38There's two different perspectives obviously, but...and there's no clear-cut line through this. It's really an overlap.

06:44BIM storms, if you go to, you can participate in BIM storms. They're open to anybody to participate.

06:50We had one in Washington, D.C., a few weeks ago.

06:52Here's a client requirement for a site. Here's a site I want to put 300,000 square foot.

06:56Here's an Excel file that says 300,000 square feet, several hundred units of housing, Excel file...

07:02...import to this model server, this Onuma system. It automatically creates a block that says here's your building.

07:07Nobody's touched the design on this building yet. It's automatically generated from Excel, having all the spaces.

07:14You can start having discussions. Is this a good idea or a bad idea? We call this a train wreck.

07:17Is this a good train wreck or a bad train wreck? Bad train wreck; throw it away. Keep moving.

07:22Configure the spaces online. Because you're online and this is in real time...

07:26...I can start interacting with others and saying, What do you think of this arrangement?

07:30When they say that's a good idea, then we move back out again. This is within minutes.

07:34You basically get another version of this first design model, which usually takes hours or weeks sometimes.

07:39Then you say, Okay, now let's take this out to SketchUp.

07:41Automatically generated SketchUp model that originally data started in Excel, now in SketchUp.

07:47Same thing out to Revit. Interoperability. You want to move it to any tools. You don't want to re-create the data.

07:52Now in Revit, this is a requirement model to give the design team, saying...'s what the owner wants, now go fulfill that requirement.

08:00Once you get into the life cycle, the "I" of information, the value of information kicks into high gear.

08:05If we can't manage information about our built environment, we won't be able to tackle all the problems that we have.

08:10So real time is what drives us. Cloud computing is what we use.

08:15Connecting people. It's really about connecting people and connecting decisions.

08:20Nothing about the tools again. It's the tools are just paper and pencil in the background.

08:24Owner being able to visualize the data on their BIM in a simple way, without BIM training, saying, here's your equipment.

08:29Here's a webcam to attach to that. Multiple servers starting to talk to each other.

08:34Cloud computing is about mashups. Mashing up BIM in GIS and visualizing it on any platform at any time and any place.

08:41Color coding things from databases. Visualizing a BIM, this is a BIM.

08:45It's one room on the 33rd floor, but it's still part of a BIM...

08:48...but it's simple enough that I can look at it in a tool like Google Earth and say, there's a sensor... sensor data connected to that in a mashup, saying, here's your temperature of that piece of equipment on that room.

08:57I don't have to download a 200-megabyte model to go and look at that. Then that's part of the city.

09:04The city obviously is part of the world and this all connects together.

09:07This is what our view of geodesign is. It's really about connecting the information.

09:11So what we're going to do...and here's Google Earth again.

09:14You click on things, energy use of the building, so kind of a portfolio-level view of thousands of buildings.

09:20We need to get past this building a faster horse. It's about the next level.

09:25We are the ones, as an industry, that are going to answer these questions.

09:30So let's actually...I wanted to try an experiment here, and this is kind of...we just decided this last night.

09:36I do this once in a while and decided, well, let's go ahead and do this.

09:38We're going to do a...actually, PDAs, Androids, connected laptops, open them up. I'd like you to participate in a BIM storm.

09:48Everybody is going to build a BIM in a few minutes.

09:52So...and I'll get to that slide in a second, but I'll start explaining.

09:56As an architect, I've constantly been frustrated with these lists of CAD files.

10:01You open up a file and it's all kind of a file-based system. Here's a third-floor plan, a fourth-floor plan.

10:05File-based exchanges just don't work in this world. You can't get to real-time data on there.

10:10Same thing with BIM. If we look at BIM as stand-alone stovepipe files, we're not going to be able to make transactions.

10:16We have to extract the data that's valuable with these type of exchanges.

10:22So, I'm part of the buildingSmart alliance. So I'm very much involved with open standards, OGC.

10:28We were part of OWS for a test bed. buildingSmart alliance, they have their own standard called IFC.

10:35I've struggled with this over the years. I fully support IFCs, but I also feel that it's taking a long time.

10:39Fifteen years is kind of a long time to implement a standard.

10:42We need to keep things simple and have the bigger picture in place, as well as this longer-term vision.

10:47BIM can come from many different places and it's not one model. BIM is not one model.

10:52It's impossible to think that BIM is going to be one bucket where we're going to put everything into it and it's going to give us answers.

10:57It's about connecting things. Just like the Internet is not one database.

11:02Location and geography and BIM connected. This is a JBIM magazine.

11:08Actually we have some magazines here we're going to hand out. I don't think I have enough.

11:12I might have enough for half of you here. You can also download this through the buildingSmart alliances.

11:16Great articles in here from others as well, relating to GIS and BIM.

11:22So here we go, It works from Androids, iPhones, iPads, Firefox, Safari.

11:32IE is not perfect for this, so I would suggest trying...the interface is a little different.

11:36So you don't need to put a user name and password in yet.

11:39But if you try that, and I have it written up here for those that don't...can't type this in quick enough.

11:43So it's, and later on you'll use the user name and password.

11:48And I'll walk you through what we're going to do.

11:52So I'll keep this open on the side here and you should get an interface like this.

12:05[Unintelligible audience comment]


12:10[Unintelligible audience comment]

12:12Pardon me? Oh, I'm sorry. This is from a's MOB, yes. Sorry. Human error there.

12:22Okay. We simplified it. So it's

12:29You don't need a password, and at the very top I want you to type in "Hong Kong Convention."

12:35We're going to go to the Hong Kong Convention Center. And you should get this.

12:42There's a red dot on the map. You can grab that and move it anywhere.

12:45What we're going to do, there's an area in Hong Kong here...we're not very familiar with what's going on here...

12:49...but it looks like they're reclaiming land and building a lot of stuff here, so we've decided to focus on this harbor here...

12:55...and the waterfront...actually, there's no more...if I put that there, there's no more water actually.

12:59There's land there right now. So if you choose a spot somewhere between these two points.

13:03Just move your red dot there, and on the first line it's going to say Project Name. Put your name.

13:10So I'm going to put my name, and I'm going to call this Residential...

13:16...or just any kind of building name, whatever kind of building you want to put.

13:19And Hong Kong has some pretty tall buildings, as you all know. This is the site in Hong Kong.

13:26These buildings are all like, you know, 30, 40, 50 stories high.

13:30As an architect, I know that a 50-story building, a typical floor plate might be between 15,000 and 20,000 square feet... if I make a, like a 300,000-square-foot building...

13:40...I put in the square footage in next, and I'm going to type the number of floors.

13:44I'm going to make this a 20-story building. You can put in whatever you want. And then choose the facility type.

13:51I'm going to choose a residence and that's all you really need and then it's the Upload button.

13:55There's a lot of other optional data you can put in here. What this is doing, imagine an owner saying...

14:00...I want you to design a building for me in Hong Kong that has 300 residential units, or x number of square feet of office.

14:06That's a typical kind of request and then design, the team has to figure that out.

14:11You'll see later on where I'm going with this.

14:13This is obviously not going to create a final design, but what's happening here, this is collaboration...

14:17...kind of a swarming and social media and BIM kind of all tied together...

14:23...and if you hit Upload on this, you should get a confirmation right here.

14:30And you can go back and say, I want to upload another scheme.

14:32If you go back, you can keep on doing multiple buildings if you like.

14:36So that's the first step, and we'll keep this up here if you want to keep on adding later, that's fine.

14:42The next step I'm going to do is actually, it says, Log in to the Onuma system.

14:48If you log in here, and this is where the user name and password comes into play.

14:55You don't have to do this step, but for those who like to see the result of what you put up there... basically log in, hit the Login button at the very bottom here...

15:07...and I gave you the wrong information here. It's not sandbox, I'm sorry. Viewer and password is Onuma.

15:17So the user name is Viewer and the password is Onuma.

15:23This is an open sandbox model server that we use for demonstrations like this and that will get you into this next view...

15:32...right here, and you'll see a button that says Sandbox.

15:35If you open that up, you'll start seeing...Oh, there's a lot going on here actually.

15:40We just had a list of about 10 earlier on, so this is from you guys right now.

15:43These are your buildings, basically that you submitted.

15:46So Bill submitted a residential building. This just happened right now. I don't know which Bill this is.

15:51It might be...there's a lot of Bills obviously in the room, but if I click on that...

15:56...and scroll down, it's showing me how much it's going cost to build this building.

16:02It's showing me what the's obviously a block.

16:04There's spaces inside it, but it's showing me the cost...

16:07...and it's giving me some initial estimates of utility and operations and maintenance.

16:11How much is it going to cost to maintain? So it's generating a lot of data with simple input.

16:15Obviously, we still need to keep designing this. Now, real projects we continue to work to refine this process.

16:21So what's happening now, the buildings that you guys submitted...I have teams standing by, outside of this room...

16:25...actually around the world, that are going to descend on this and move them into position and start designing the city.

16:30So that's our goal. Our goal is to spend 15 million dollars in one hour here and fill in this part of Hong Kong.

16:35I mean, crazy project coming, it's, why not, right?

16:38Okay. So let's go back to this. So the Coast Guard case study.

16:49Coast Guard from years ago as we were working with them, they were using Google Earth before it was called Google Earth.

16:54These also used Esri very much too, so it's a combination of tools.

16:58They used our tool, the one with the green background there, to configure buildings...

17:02...the same tool that you're using, a different interface. Now tools can have multiple interfaces.

17:06When you're...when you're using the cloud and you're mashing stuff up from the web, you can have different views of data.

17:12You can have a view of the Expedia data for American Airlines that no longer is there...

17:15...and I can go to Orbitz and find it again, or I can go to American Airlines, and still buy the same seat.

17:19You're not duplicating data from one to the next.

17:21You're going back to the source, the authoritative source that's going to help you make those decisions.

17:25So the Coast Guard, we were building their existing facilities...

17:29...and quickly configuring new facilities and doing scenario planning.

17:32What if? What if we do this? What if we do that?

17:35And we did all that before we got into what we call the desktop BIM applications.

17:38They're using ArcCAD, but it could be Revit, way on the right side.

17:41Before you start creating the solution, you want to run the scenarios...

17:45...and now with the concept of geodesign, if we had access to geospatial data, that would have been incredible.

17:52We had to pull some of this in manually, but now you'll see later on how some of this stuff starts coming in automatically.

17:59So the concept of the value of the data for facilities management is critical, the "I" of BIM as we talked about.

18:06The configuration of...this is a case study again, Coast Guard, 35 command centers.

18:10It used to take them 10 months to configure and decide the design decisions for one command center.

18:17They had 35 of them to do. They completed them in a little bit over six months.

18:20So 10 months for one of them versus six months for all of them.

18:25It was an incredible time savings and higher accuracy as well.

18:29And the reason this worked is because they would go in from place to place, log into the system...

18:32...pull up the latest data, push it back into the server, and move to the next place.

18:35Instead of going and spending...oh it was mentioned this morning...'s true, it takes 50 percent of the time to find background data typically. It's a huge waste in a design process.

18:47Integrated decision making, again, with the Coast Guard looking at different views of BIM.

18:50We can use BIM for planning a facility. We can use BIM for security analysis. You can use BIM for doing command centers.

18:57It's different again, different snippets of data all connected in the center to make decisions. So the simplicity is key.

19:05And, actually, as architects, Frank Gehry even starts with simple blocks like this to create complex buildings.

19:10So, simplicity for buildings is actually critical and it's actually very much about spaces.

19:15And that's what I think is the huge opportunity here, as far as interaction between GIS and BIM...

19:20...there's a subset of a building that's critical for facilities management and for geospatial analysis...

19:26...and it's not the full-blown design and construction model.

19:28We're going to get there eventually, but if we start at that simple level, there's a lot you can do with it at this level.

19:34So, just a little overview of one of the tools that we use.

19:37This is something that we created actually in the '90s and then we've been developing over time.

19:41It's a web-based system. It's cloud computing. It's service oriented.

19:45You log in from any PC or Mac and you have a view of a building. That building could have started in an Excel file.

19:54On the upper left is an Excel file. So here's a bunch of spaces and equipment and number of floors.

19:59It automatically creates a first version of the building.

20:01You start doing a quick blocking and stacking and start having discussions of, what's the cost? What's the energy?

20:05Does it fit on its side? Do we need to split it into two? Can a client afford it? Is this a bad idea? Good idea?

20:10And you can also drill all the way down to the furniture and equipment level.

20:14So, inside the room...inside each of those bubbles, there's furniture and equipment.

20:17Everything has a latitude and longitude to it. You can start doing analysis at this level.

20:22And then in the opposite direction, we were connecting to Google Earth at the time, and we still do...

20:27...and we also have connections to ArcGIS now, but you can start seeing how it fits on a portfolio level.

20:33This is called a model server. It's very much different than storing a BIM model on an FTP site.

20:38This is actual live data that's put into a server that I can pull just pieces of the data as needed.

20:43When you go to Expedia, you don't download the Delta schedule. You go and find that flight you want and you buy that seat.

20:49That's why it works. You don't have to wait for that download, translate it, and put it into something else.

20:53That live transactional kind of approach is what drives all of this.

21:00So, connecting the dots. Here's Penn State involved in the BIM storm. This is again a 24-hour session.

21:07A hundred thirty teams from around the world that had never touched a lot of these tools, were taught on the fly how to start interacting.

21:13And this generation, as we all know, is already wired for this. This is natural to them.

21:17Anything else would be ridiculous and they'd look at the way the industry is now and think, Why are we working like this?

21:21But you notice each student has a different view of the data, and one has a site plan... has a building plan, and this guy has Facebook.

21:27Everyone's doing their own thing here. They''s a social network. You're making decisions.

21:32You're throwing things out there, even if they're bad ideas. Again, the train wrecks are important for us.

21:36We want to create a lot of train wrecks very early on in the process before they out to the site and get into construction.

21:43Make the mistakes early. How do you make mistakes and know you're making a mistake?

21:47You have to have good data in the background feeding you, just like we saw this morning.

21:50If you have data in the background, then you can make decisions...

21:54...and those decisions need to be pushed back out so others can see, Here's what I'm thinking, I'm putting this building here.

21:59Okay, GIS analysts, what do you think from your perspective, from a zoning perspective, from a cost perspective?

22:04That's what was going on here. They were looking at projects coming in. Four hundred and twenty buildings.

22:09They're analyzing them and giving us cost and constructability input on those buildings.

22:16So it can be simple. This is what we did several years ago at the AI convention and we did this today with you guys too.

22:22If that that Excel file again, this is an automatically-created-in-Excel file.

22:25It could have come from an iPhone too, if you'd typed in all those rooms.

22:28Obviously, that would take a long time, but if you had a spreadsheet that's saying...'s a 500,000-square-foot building, hotel's on the upper floor, offices on the lower floor...

22:36...nobody's touched the design other than in Excel.

22:39This is sucked in from Excel through the Onuma system, out to Google Earth saying, Is this a good idea?

22:44It's top heavy because we haven't imported the office spaces on the lower floors.

22:48Then in 90 minutes...we had 90 minutes in Boston.

22:50We had 130 buildings from the audience submitted. This was several years ago too.

22:55So the concept of simplicity. Simplicity could be an Excel file. It could be a block model.

23:00As you start heading up the chain and you complete a design and construction model...

23:04...then obviously that's a very important model for design and construction, but also it's a very heavy model.

23:08You can't access it quickly, and a lot of our clients working with GSA right now...

23:12...and it's surprising these models and Revit and Bentley and whatever was being used, get incredibly heavy...

23:17...and they're very important for design and construction, but the client can't even open it.

23:20If you can't open it and say, What's the square footage of my conference room?

23:24Well, you have to know how to use Revit or ArcCAD, open it up, and have a computer powerful enough...

23:27...and it''s all important stuff, but if you can't get to it, it becomes less valuable.

23:34So here's that same model now exported to Revit, automatically generated a Revit model. Los Angeles, 24 hours.

23:41Well, actually, no, I'm going to take a break here. That reminds me, I have Google Earth running in the background here.

23:47Let's see how Amber's doing. Let's see, okay, so there's a site. We should start seeing some models coming in here.

23:55Let me just refresh this and see if something comes in.

23:58So this is actually...the Google Earth site was already set up before you guys were submitting models.

24:02We already set up this network link so the models should start assembling here as my team starts bringing them in here.

24:09Okay. So, let's look at one building now.

24:13These are the 420 buildings in Los Angeles, 24 hours, inverted pyramid is the total square footage of all the buildings...

24:18...the color coding's by use, so you can start having discussions about what impact... that going to have on transportation, for example.

24:26When we did this several years ago, the City of Los Angeles did not have GIS data easily accessible.

24:30We had to actually go and get a CD and bring it over here and put into the server.

24:34But now, you'll see later on with the D.C. government and what was shown earlier with ArcGIS...

24:38...once this data becomes web enabled and through web services, you can start connecting to it in real time.

24:45So here's that building now in about 30 minutes. You start configuring it and you say, Okay that looks good.

24:51And then what we do, from our server now, we export to Google Earth obviously...

24:54...but then we also connect out to other applications through open standards again.

24:59So some tools were pulling data from us in IFC. We also had city GML going on. We had a BIM XML format.

25:08We had Ecotech through GB XML.

25:10So all these open standards, you basically use...

25:12...different teams from around the world are pulling that tower into their tool...

25:15...doing their analysis, and pushing it back to us, and saying, Here's what we recommend from a structural point of view.

25:22Revit obviously, and TEKLA Structure are desktop applications... they had pulled a model into that environment, designed it, and posted it back.

25:28Another team was saying, Well, instead of a structural steel building, what if you go to concrete?

25:34That's going to be shorter, floor to floor, it's going to be a shorter building...'s going to be a heavier building, we need more footing.

25:38So all those discussions were happening within the first 24 hours of the design.

25:43Ecotech from the UK. So teams from around the world logging in, pulling their tool and doing their analysis.

25:49And this was the result of that first BIM storm - 24 hours, 11 countries, 133 players, 420 buildings, 55 million square feet.

25:57The equivalent of 2.8 million pages of documents that were never printed.

26:03You don't print out every airline schedule there is out there today.

26:07Everything is live. You access the data as you're making decisions, therefore it's lightweight so you can find the information.

26:12You don't have to go find that binder or find that PDF or go to that FTP site.

26:15It just have to keep it at your fingertips... here's some of the interactions that happen with a lot of different tools.

26:22And what this generated actually, teams that played in this environment actually started generating real projects.

26:28Clients were starting to watch what was going on and saying, Can you do this for us?

26:31And some of the projects we were involved in and other ones we were not involved with...

26:34...but it was a way to kind of showcase what is possible.

26:39So again, connection of GIS to BIM.

26:42If you come from the GIS side, there's concept of location and latitude and longitude.

26:46But there's also information about, where's the source of that carpet or that material in that building?

26:51How do you know there's carpet in that room? You know it because from the BIM side...

26:55...I'm saying I'm designing a building, therefore I need carpet coming from here.

26:58Another very important concept, imagine if all the buildings in the world were in BIM and somehow we got them into GIS.

27:07Okay, now what? What happens when the buildings are not static, they're changing every day.

27:12As we were working with the Coast Guard, we're documenting a building.

27:15They were tearing down part of the building behind us, as they were doing renovations.

27:18So unless you can keep kind of a real-time cycle going on to update the building data as things are happening...

27:25...this data...information starts to rot. So that's another key thing to keeping it lightweight.

27:31Keeping it lightweight at this level of detail, again, tying into GIS like we talked about earlier...'s's achievable because it's not the full-blown design and construction model.

27:39It's a lightweight model that says, Okay, now the building's complete.

27:42Now we're in facility management mode. Does that floor plan look accurate?

27:46You can start having discussions saying, Well know, that room no longer exists, turn it red.

27:50At least you know what is going on if you can get input from the building itself...

27:55...either through people that say that no longer exists or sensors. Sensors are starting to come into play now.

28:00So sensors that can start informing you, the lights are no longer on in this room because that room no longer exists.

28:06That's a valuable piece of information.

28:08Okay, everything I've showed you up until now is BIM storm and conceptual design...

28:12...but I'm going to show you an actual project.

28:13I can't show you the actual data, but this is for the Homeland Security headquarters. This is not the actual data, again.

28:19This is...but the concept was Homeland Security, 20 agencies spread around Washington, D.C.

28:24They're going to build a new headquarters, complex project, bring them into a new location.

28:29Each of the bubbles is a space. The lines are adjacencies between spaces.

28:34Data collected and pulled in from, you know, even sketches, and Excel files pulled in...

28:40...and actually create that first version or model and start running scenarios.

28:43How many floors is this building going to be? How it's a footprint.

28:45Is it going to be three stories underground, two stories above ground?

28:48What's the security level? What's the cost? What's the schedule? How do the people fit?

28:52And the administration was changing and the people were changing throughout this whole time. It's a moving target.

28:56Nothing stands still in a project like this. Client keeps changing their mind 'til the last minute.

29:02If we can't change quickly, it costs a lot of money.

29:05So what we were brought in to do was actually to represent the client, to keep that engine going.

29:10So what typically gets handed off to design-build team or an architect is a stack of documents.

29:14So here's what we need in this building. PDF files, thousands of pages, go read this, and design our building.

29:20We didn't do any of that.

29:21We kept it all live and what was handed to the design team was a database saying here's our requirement.

29:26It's an engine that you can keep on turning and start doing what-if scenarios.

29:30And they were actually already starting to excavate so we were in discussions with the construction team.

29:33How big is the hole going to be? How much concrete do you need before the design was even very far along.

29:39Same thing with and equipment.

29:41Excel file that was creating furniture and equipment comes from the Excel file and populates a space...

29:46...and you can start saying, Is this all the furniture and equipment you need inside that space?

29:50So conceptual models that start to solidify.

29:54The more you start engineering and creating the final solution...

29:57...the more time you're spending, and it might be the wrong solution, so we keep it very kind of loose.

30:01It's kind of like sketching with ideas and you keep on morphing until you get to that point where you say, That works.

30:07I'm going to hand that model now to the design-build team. I'm going to hand them a model in BIM.

30:12So from the model server, we output IFC or BIM XML, automatically create a Revit model.

30:18This is an automatically created Revit model of all the furniture and equipment. The design team starts with that.

30:22They don't have to interpret thousands of pages of text and say, Do we have the right piece of equipment in this room?

30:27Meanwhile, client's saying, Oh we'd like to change something here. Everything's moving along.

30:32So it's just like Expedia. You buy that ticket at the last minute or you pay and you buy that seat and that's it...

30:37...but you can keep on iterating as you run through different variations.

30:42So in the opposite direction, if you imagine this type of approach to be used...

30:48...not for design and construction but for facilities management.

30:52Data driving graphics. The graphics, by the way, on all these, are not static kind of JPEGs or CAD files.

30:57They're actually driven from the database.

30:59A database creates the graphics, which means that if you change the data...'ll change the graphic, which is why we can connect this to sensors.

31:07We also have this project with the Army Corps with PBS&J at Fort Belvoir. A hundred forty buildings, oops, 140, no, how many?

31:16A hundred and seventy buildings I believe it was on this one, four-and-a-half years of construction time, let's actually turn this audio down...

31:26...and they were going through and trying to go to meetings every week with printed boards and saying...

31:31...Well, here's the status of the design and the road closure, and they were using GIS and BIM, and CAD in many ways...

31:37...but the output was being as paper. Going to the meeting saying, Here's the paper documents of what we're doing this week.

31:42They couldn't keep up with the change though, 'cause it was moving so rapidly.

31:45They had primavera scheduling and tables, they had CAD files, they had this... we pulled it all together, pulled it into Onuma system, used PBS&J's ArcGIS Server.

31:55We're merging ArcGIS Server and Onuma system model server together to visualize things.

32:00And one view was actually in Google Earth as well, too, so in Google Earth, the color coding is coming from a schedule.

32:06So instead of a schedule saying, "Here's a construction schedule," we're color coding things red/green as things are changing.

32:12So now they're going into meetings, and this is actually a very interesting thing from the army's point of view.

32:17They couldn't get Internet access at the meetings... they came in with laptops with Sprint wireless cards to connect to the server live.

32:23The data is lightweight, so you can pull it live.

32:27You're not downloading the Delta schedule. You're accessing that flight that you want.

32:32You're accessing the building schedule. You're accessing...

32:34So the teams in the office were continuing to work while they were in a meeting with the Corps of Engineers.

32:42This has actually a huge impact on clients, and we've actually worked with many different teams, just blowing people away...

32:49...'cause you walk into a meeting and you actually can start designing the project.

32:52We've won several contracts just by being at a presentation like this.

32:55I actually have an interesting story where I was watching my future client onstage presenting their project, saying...

33:00Here's what we're doing with our project. And I was ready with a PowerPoint. I got up, while they were doing their presentation...

33:06...I just, on the fly, decided to design their project and present it to them as they got up on stage.

33:10We got a five-year contract out of that. You have to think outside the box.

33:14It's Henry Ford concept again. Move that horse forward.

33:18So here's the Fort Belvoir project. It's a mashup of SketchUp, and the green and yellow buildings coming from our server.

33:23SketchUp was landed inside this. So any way you can make it doesn't have to be perfect.

33:28If you wait for the technology to be perfect, it'll never get there.

33:31It's just like the Internet's not ready yet and yet we use it every day. And that's why it evolves.

33:35You just keep on mashing stuff together and keep on moving forward.

33:38You can't talk about the theory forever. You just have to get down and do it.

33:42So here's the result of that and there was a 40 VIZ tool that PBS&J created...

33:49...with ArcGIS in the background and our server pushing data into that.

33:52So it was many different views from many different tools, but the same data.

33:57And here's some of the conflict resolution that happened...

34:00...and kind of an overview of just a simplified diagram of what happened.

34:04There's a lot of things coming into this system. There was the ArcGIS Server. There was Onuma server.

34:10There was output from that in different formats, and there was this live interface in the middle.

34:14A live interface, not only to view data but to move stuff around. So let's say, let's move this building over here.

34:19Because it's live, I can be anywhere in the world...

34:22...and I can be interacting with somebody else that says, No, that's a bad idea, or that schedule doesn't work.

34:27It completely changes the way that we work.

34:30COBIE is another open standard for facilities management.

34:33We're very much involved with that, Construction Operation Building Information Exchange.

34:39With GSA, we're working on several projects where they want to be able to look at completed or existing buildings...

34:45...and say, What's going on in that building? So here's our interface on the left, Google Earth on the right.

34:52Google Earth with data coming from our server, color coding coming from sensors... about aggregated totals and square footage coming from our server viewed in Google Earth...

35:05...webcams connected to those dots. Those dots are pieces of equipment.

35:08There's no reason to have a beautiful 3D model of a pump if you're at this level of detail. It's again, a level of detail concept.

35:13How do churn data really quickly and then visualize what's the schedule of lighting, real-time occupancy sensors.

35:23Another server. This is actually...again a mashup.

35:25Our server is pushing out to Google Earth doing the 3D, doing other data.

35:29Another server saying, I have temperature data for this room, you have the same room ID, common ID...

35:34...web services, boom, there's the temperature of the room. So these real-time charts are getting attached to the building.

35:40Same data again, but in a different interface. Here's a real-time data now in the Onuma system, but at the same server.

35:48Capturing design intent. This is actually a very interesting slide because when you design a building...'re saying, Okay, we want to be lead whatever, so we want to have reduced energy and we want to do this...

35:59...and we're going to make decisions about what type of equipment to put in a building...

36:02...and we're going to design the building and give it to the owner.

36:05What does the owner do with that building now, unless they know what that chain of events was...

36:08...what was the design intent of that room, and is it above or below temperature based on that engineering assumption?

36:14For our GSA projects right now, they're working on three projects...

36:16...we're actually capturing the design intent into a database, not into a BIM, it's just a database, attached to a BIM...

36:23...and saying, This room was designed to be this temperature and it has this kind of requirement of airflows or whatever...

36:29...and then as you're running sensors through that...

36:32...then you can compare it against what was it designed to, what's it going on right now?

36:35A Delta comparison, to color code what's out of range, and drill all the way down to a piece of equipment.

36:41Notice that the graphics are kept very simple.

36:43This is the lightweight version of the data to keep live on the web, and we're also connecting to Patchbay.

36:49Again, we're just mashing up different tools on the web.

36:52And then creating a standard...a standard of...there are standards out there to work with facility management and BIM...

36:58...but we're actually creating implementation standards. We're not talking in theory. We're saying the project is running.

37:03How do we capture that data as it's going on?

37:05So we're actually implementing this as these projects are going on, which is really the only way I think that it could work.

37:11You really have to kind of hit the road and start doing it.

37:14You can have a lot of theory and discussion about what is possible and what is perfect...

37:17...but unless you start doing it, you never get there.

37:20So we're taking BIM data coming in for GSA for three different buildings.

37:24We're saying, How do you keep it in a neutral format so you can pull it into any FM application in the future?

37:29If you keep it in a neutral format, the data can come from a Revit model, it can come from another type of BIM model... could come from a list of equipment. It's not going to all be in one model.

37:39That's a myth that everything can be in one model.

37:42You look at any project right now that's running through BIM and you can't load everything in one model.

37:46There's different consultant teams, so you have to figure out how to merge it together and bring it out there.

37:51Okay, so let's...I think that was the end here, yeah. Let's go back to see what's going on here...

38:03...and actually open up...I'm in the Onuma system right now...

38:06...and I'm just going to take a look and see what's going on with it right here.

38:09And I've logged in and I'm going to look at the BIM requests that came in from you guys.

38:16Let's see if I'm still connected to the Internet. I think I am.

38:19Yep, there we go. BIM requests...okay, so this is what, there's a lot. Okay. That's good.

38:28So we had a lot of projects going on here and they're being moved.

38:32I guess my team is probably frantically moving them right now to the right site.

38:36If I open up any one of these, like Karen's building here...let's see what Karen's building's about.

38:43This is one building that came from the audience.

38:46It's just going to be a block, but inside the block, if I open up the block, it's going to show where it is in Hong Kong.

38:52It's sitting there on the edge of the harbor there, and this has 18 stories.

38:58If I go to the 11th floor, it's basically logging and pulling that floor plan of just that 11th floor...

39:06...instead of downloading the whole building again. And on the 11th floor, I see a block, where's the block? There it is.

39:12And it has some elevators and I need two stairs out of a building, and obviously there's an issue here...

39:17...because the square footage that was put in just defined that small size.

39:22So we have some talking to do about, Do you really want this skinny, tall tower, or where do you want that square footage?

39:29You're probably going to have to make a lower tower start getting a sense of scale immediately from this.

39:35Let's look at another view of all this.

39:39Back up to the project level and pull in Hong Kong Geodesign, right here, master plan B2.

39:51Okay, so what's happening here is, I could actually see, Amber's editing the scheme.

39:55We use these models as communication tools. We don't use e-mail.

39:59We communicate through the model. We go in the model and we communicate to people.

40:02Whoever's touching the model, I can start communicating to that person.

40:05So we're having discussions about the design through the model. The model becomes an interface for e-mail.

40:12We don't use e-mail for this kind of stuff. We just go straight to it, and there's Amber.

40:16She's starting to line up some of your buildings on the waterfront.

40:18This just happened in the last 20 minutes, so she's basically taken stuff that was probably stacked on top of each other...

40:21...because I told you guys just to place it anywhere.

40:24But in a real project, we would actually start having assignments and say, You work on this, you work on this, and you work on that.

40:30And I can say, Well, let's go and see what's going on with the report here.

40:37Building comparison. So the point here is that, and I'm doing this with one hand while I'm talking to you guys... I might be missing some stuff, but it's about collaboration in real time.

40:50This is kind of looks like science fiction when we come into some of these meetings, 'cause most of the industry... I said, is still working in nineteenth-century mode, which as an architect, it's a bad thing obviously, but it's also a huge opportunity.

41:02The opportunity is, even if we start incrementally making things better...

41:07...and I think the time is right this year with the concept of geodesign...

41:11...with the intersection of BIM and GIS, the technology is...

41:14It's possible to do this today. It's very exciting what is possible with all this.

41:19So let's do a quick export of this and see what's going on, Google Earth, I'll just do an export from here.

41:28There's multiple ways I can export out to...all of these models, by the way now, are SketchUp models, the Revit models.

41:34If I open up a Revit model of Karen's building, it would actually have those spaces in the restrooms...

41:37...and the toilets and sinks and objects, inside the Revit model.

41:40So as an owner, I'm saying, "Here's what I want in the building; now go and resolve it" to the architect.

41:46Okay, so let's see if that downloaded. Yep, it's still churning, I think. Something's going on here.

41:55I think I've got too much stuff running here, but anyway, so let's open up one more thing here.

42:03I'm pretty ballsy to do this live probably, right? But here's...let's just try this here.

42:11Any questions while we take a break here? I've kind of been talking a hundred miles a minute here.

42:17Okay, so there's all the buildings that are on the site and then let's just go to compare buildings...

42:24...and let it churn for awhile and run through all the numbers.

42:30And again, all these models, again would go out, we have city GML coming out of it.

42:34And it's not's really not about only our tool. It's really...we use a lot of different tools.

42:38We just created this because we needed to create the links between the different things that were out there.

42:43And this has been around for five or six years.

42:45We've been building this version at least...

42:47...and before that in the '90s, we had another version that basically used this for collaboration.

42:51The reason we needed this is because I was ending up traveling a lot as an architect.

42:56I was flying around working on projects in the Far East. I got tired of traveling...

42:59...and then we'd call this low-carbon collaboration. The less we have to travel, we can make decisions.

43:05In fact the LA BIM storm that I showed earlier, we had teams from Norway saying...

43:09...We're going to fly to LA and participate in the BIM storm.

43:12We said, No you stay where you are in Norway and interact with us through the Internet.

43:16So obviously face-to-face time is very valuable, but not all the time.

43:20It's better to be connected, meet a few times, and then work virtually.

43:24That's how our team works, and we're a very small office actually.

43:27But because of these kind of approaches, we're able to keep very compact...

43:31...and then collaborate with like-minded groups or individuals. It's a different dynamic. You create teams on the fly.

43:38You're just swarming to attach to that project.

43:41So if a client has a special kind of requirement, there's no reason to build up a huge team and wait for that project to come.

43:46You basically work with the experts as you're interacting on these projects.

43:52So there's the...atlas...see, let's try it. I don't know what's going on there.

43:56I think my Internet connection just kind of came to a crawl. Okay, there it goes. That'll load. There we go.

44:03So it's flying down to the site and then it's going to load the buildings that we're looking at...

44:10...building volume, space volume, color code by departments.

44:13So that's our site there, and then you'll start seeing the buildings streaming in there.

44:19So let's go back to...this...I think we saw everything here. Yeah. Okay.

44:28Maybe we'll take a few questions. Do we have the mic here still?

44:32Are there any questions? I'm going really fast here, just shout out your questions and I'll...

44:36[Inaudible audience question]

44:38That's a good question. The question was what about civil and construction?

44:45The Homeland Security project I showed you, not everything is going to be solved in one tool.

44:50That's another very important concept behind all this.

44:52No single application's going to be able to solve everything you need.

44:56You just need to be able to say, I'm thinking of putting a building here and I'm thinking of having this kind of a footprint... far underground are you going to go and what's the soil condition?

45:05Like what Eric showed earlier was a great example. I'm going underground.

45:08Now I want interaction with somebody else that has that information.

45:11Where is that other information going to come about the site?

45:14Obviously GIS is a perfect place for that to come through.

45:17So it's about putting stuff in and then saying, Now I want to interact with you about this particular part of the process.

45:24And it happened with us actually with our Coast Guard project as well.

45:27And we were putting a building on a site and the Coast Guard said, What about security from that road to that building?

45:34We did not have to bring in a security expert to sit for eight hours in a meeting with us in the room to wait for that question.

45:39We said, Okay, we'll keep the group compact and we'll let you log in and say...

45:44...What do you think of that building next to that site, and so that's no good.

45:46That's a threat right there, so I moved the building back 20 feet.

45:50So we were able to immediately on the spot move the building back 20 feet or harden that wall.

45:54So you start, able to...having that discussion.

45:57This obviously is not the final design...the detailed design.

46:02We take these models, just like I showed with the Homeland Security project, pull it out into...

46:05...and in that case they were using Revit.

46:07We hand them a model from here, that's a IFC or XML file, BIM XML, in Revit, they continue in Revit...

46:14...and then we run a parallel and track it and say, Here's a client requirement.

46:17Now the architect is designing different versions of that. Revit's on the desktop.

46:20Eventually all these full-blown BIM models are going to end up in model servers too. They're not there yet.

46:25It's just too heavy and the technology's not quite there yet with open standards and model servers.

46:31There's some interesting things going on, but as other model servers are out there, we're a model server...

46:36...but you can start then having a desktop version of Revit, and our version, and we're starting to compare things. Okay?

46:42Do you have all the square footage you need? Do you have the number of...the right number of chairs and tables?

46:47Do you have the right...did you remember that stand-off distance that security expert talked about?

46:52'Cause that kind of stuff gets lost in the project always. You have all these different discussions going on.

46:58So it's really about connecting many different tools and many different experts... be able to have discussions about things that should not create that train wreck.

47:09Any other question? Yep.

47:11[Audience question] When you have collaboration on a project...

47:15...and let's just say your example of the security guy came in and gave you that [Untelligible]...

47:21...the architect or lead in this is trying to keep track of all those things that need to stay.

47:29What if somebody else starts moving the building around again?

47:31How do you control so much interaction so that you end up with something that satisfies all the initial criteria?

47:39Because there's so many people involved and things might change that might affect what you originally designed? Is that what you're thinking about?

47:44Yeah. The structure guy's going to change...

47:46Yeah, exactly. Well, what happens in the traditional process is, architect works on it, hands it off to the structural guy...

47:52...waits for two weeks, comes back, meanwhile the design has changed...

47:55...and he says, Oh no, that that's happening already in the current process, right?

47:59What we're finding...and it's not...we're not...although there's some vendors out there that are getting model servers...

48:05...that are starting to interact live on the full-blown model, and I think ArcCAD has a version of it out...

48:09...and Revit's doing something like that too.

48:11When you start getting that immediate interaction, imagine if you're the structural and the architect.

48:15I'm saying I'm doing this and you're saying no you can't do that...

48:18...seeing that column in the middle of my room is going to create a reaction.

48:21If I don't see it, I keep on designing the room for two weeks...

48:24...and all of a sudden the column appears and I go, What's that all about?

48:27So it's really about how close to real time can we get to start having the discussion... we're right there in the same room together.

48:35And because there's just...buildings are incredibly complex, right?

48:39There's so much data that I think this is really the only way to start trying to narrow that gap of that lag time.

48:45Right now the lag time is weeks, or months sometimes, and then it also gets forgotten and ends up in construction.

48:51And I think that's the opportunity. If we can figure out what works today in real time...

48:55...and my approach here is that, I presentation is really all about a lot of this stuff can happen in real time today.

49:04We know where that limit is. You notice that we're not going into structural modeling when we do this.

49:08We're keeping it at that lightweight level and we're hopping over when it goes into design and construction...

49:12...coming back in the facilities management side.

49:14So it's about the early planning and the facility management and everything in between is still morphing...

49:19...but we're starting to move in and find those views and those transactions that can happen in real time.

49:26This is actually an animation. I'm just showing some things that I showed you earlier, but any other questions?


49:31[Audience question] Do you find that a lot of your traditional architecture colleagues are threatened by this...

49:40...because it somewhat automates at least pieces of the design process?

49:46Yes. As an architect, that's been my struggle from the very beginning.

49:51When I first got into BIM in '93, I go, Oh boy, all architects are going to jump on board.

49:56The biggest challenge...and we've had this as part of our Coast Guard project...

49:59...the biggest challenge is not adopting the technology. It's the change management that has to happen.

50:05The threat of change and the threat of losing control of things, as an architect I'm saying this, but it goes for anybody really.

50:12It is a big threat. But it's also an opportunity for those that are ready to jump in.

50:18Unfortunately, when the economy was great, it didn't matter, right?

50:23We can do that. We can do it the old way. We'll scratch on paper and whatever.

50:26The best thing that's happened in the last couple of years is this economy that sucks.

50:32It's bad for us, but it's the best medicine. It's changed the outlook of everybody I've worked with.

50:37The people that didn't have time to look at this stuff are now saying, How do we become competitive?

50:43And we say, Well, let's talk about it. And we work with clients like this, and the thing for us to...

50:47...from our perspective is, we're not trying to do all...I'm touching on a lot of things...

50:51...but we're not trying to do all this ourselves.

50:53We're really looking for ways to collaborate, 'cause it's impossible for any single group to be able to do all this.

50:58But are there are going to be casualties in the industry and hopefully the people in this room...

51:02...because we're all here and we're thinking in this mode, obviously we're in a different kind of a mode...

51:06...but that's the biggest challenge that I've had as an architect, is not being able to get through to the architects.

51:10And there's also...there are risks involved with...there's contractual issues, the way that you work...

51:20...what information are you releasing, and all that kind of stuff, it has to go away.

51:25If we get too caught up and when we can't do that today, we'll never get there. We'll just have to kind of just go forward.


51:31[Audience question] Secondly, you were talking about a minute ago...

51:33...there's a wealth of security, if the security is working the way it is and they tell me to move the building.

51:39In your process that you're using, if you move the building and the substrate says, No, it can't go.

51:44Does it come back and tell you, No, geology won't support it, or geography...

51:49That would be the ideal...if we had Eric's tool, right? And I was moving a building, right now I don't have it.

51:55I can't show this slide. For some reason, my Internet connection's gone down...

51:57...but we have connections to ArcGIS Server live, we're pulling in parcel data and property lines...

52:02...and if we had soil conditions, and if that soil condition knew that as I move this heavy building around...

52:10...the soil here is going to cause more foundation.

52:12Well, that's something I want to know, but it doesn't happen immediately right now.

52:15I think the follow-up on that then too, 'cause we all know, everybody in here knows that not all...

52:20...I mean, soils maps don't really do what soils maps do.

52:26Sounds like, Yogi Berra, but anyway, the other side of it is that you do that and then you find out that the dataset is wrong.

52:33You made the decision on it. What do you think the legal ramifications of that are going to be?

52:36Right. It's a garbage-in-garbage-out question, right? And we deal with that a lot.

52:40It' an ideal world, yes, that information will be correct...

52:45...but I'd rather get something and know where I'm getting it from and say...

52:48...Okay, I can make some kind of a judgment on that.

52:50I still have to make a decision. Nothing's going to be automatic.

52:53That's the beauty of all this is, all this looks like we're automating everything...

52:56...but it's really about people saying, Well, wait a minute. That doesn't make any sense.

52:59It's just like working with Excel and not knowing anything about math. You don't get what you want out of it.

53:03So yes, it does require somebody to react to it, and the fact that there are more eyes on it...

53:09...actually reduces the chance of something going wrong. We, like I said earlier, we want to create a lot of train wrecks.

53:17We want to see the train wrecks and weed through it and we do that quite a bit.

53:20We start piling things on. We throw stuff away and we just kind of...and you create this trajectory.

53:25It might be bumpy as you go up, but at least you're getting to that point, you keep on refining it, and then you build it.

53:31But what's happening right now is you're doing all this stuff... miss a huge thing, and all of a sudden you're in construction, and you're wasting millions of dollars.

53:39There's a lot of statistics out there.

53:41The thing that I could not show you, I had another team, Balfour Beatty, in Virginia...

53:46...that was doing a study on this site and they were doing cost estimating on these buildings.

53:50We had started a couple of hours earlier; while I was sitting in the audience...

53:52...I was actually interacting with them and they had submitted some of their buildings with cost in it.

53:56So it's not about me just putting blocks on a site.

54:00It's, I want to interact with the specialists out there that can give me answers to this.


54:04What are the implications for education?

54:06This kind of fluid, real-time, cross-disciplinary work that you're doing... so different from the way in which we still teach, so what would you suggest we do differently?

54:19I teach part-time at USC too, and I've just been so frustrated with schools, to tell you the truth.

54:25I mean, it's such a great place to experiment with stuff, but schools are so...kind of stuck in the past.

54:31The student's are itching to do this and I think the opportunity is ripe to make that change...

54:36...and I think schools are a perfect place to do this, but unfortunately, things move slowly some places.

54:41That's kind of the whole change issue again.

54:44But it is a perfect educational tool because you start having those kind of dialogs.

54:49It's not about the beautiful geometry that you're creating and how great it looks in 3D. I mean, the tool's almost like passé now.

54:55It's do we make these decisions?

54:57So yeah, we didn't have a long way to go, but I think there's a lot of really great stuff happening out there right now.

55:01In the last couple of years, there's really some interesting things happening at schools.


55:06I'm going to play a little architectural inside baseball here.

55:10But you mentioned that you teach at USC, and USC at the moment is promoting itself as a center of digital design...

55:17...based around some very contemporary issues in architectural design culture to do with perimetrics and things like that...

55:23...and I wonder if you might...or, I would be very interested to hear you, for this audience...

55:28...describe the difference between what's going on in fashionable architecture circles around data-driven...

55:37...or "data-driven" design and the work that you're doing...

55:39...and how you would position yourself in that larger context of contemporary design culture.

55:45As far as...

55:46Does that make sense as a question?

55:47Kind of. I think you're asking, How does this fit in with data-driven design in the process of...

55:52I mean, if you looked at the...if we brought up the USC website, there would be a lot of stuff like...

55:56...biomorphic shapes that purport to be driven by data-driven processes in Grasshopper, or something like that.

56:03Yeah, Rhino, and then put scripts...

56:05Right. And so the...and I'm just interested to see how you would, maybe to an architectural audience...

56:13...describe the relevance of the BIM-driven work that you're doing to that thread of contemporary architectural conversation.

56:22I think there are relationships that...we've done work similar to that with kind of databases driving different shapes...

56:29...and then...but you still have create a hundred different variations of that and you narrow it down...

56:33...and you make a decision and you keep on going, so it's kind of just automated...semi-automatic process...

56:38...and then being able to interact with that.

56:40And I think in that scenario, if we had a the ideal world, if we had a connection to Grasshopper or Rhino...

56:45...and you were doing that kind of thing and we could pull it in and put it on a site and actually get numbers out of that...

56:50...and saying, Well, here's the construction cost for energy or whatever.

56:52We're already doing that with SketchUp, actually. I didn't get a chance to do that...

56:54...but we can do a...SketchUp shape, import it in here, it slices floors, and have that shape there.

57:00So I think there...we have to have those kinds of discussions, and I think what I wish would happen... that more groups that are out there that are experimenting with this kind of stuff can start making connections.

57:10Because if we're in isolation, just like the great example that we saw at one-thirty about the crime maps...

57:17...of being able to leverage what has already been tried and then open it up and try something else.

57:23In this day and age, I think the most important thing to become relevant... to be connected and to share and we tend to close down and say, Well, this is what we're doing.

57:32And we really have to see how many connections can we make. And some of it might be threatening.

57:37You might lose some of your IP or you might lose some of your ideas...

57:41...but unless we make those connections, then you're...being isolated does not solve anything.

57:46And I think the schools are another great place to kind of push that, as well.

57:51Okay. Any other questions?

57:54Yes. Should I go ahead, or down there?

58:01Let's go down here and then we'll go up there.

58:04You've been demonstrating a very high level of hill climbing and trial and error as a design method.

58:11And in the...the ways you describe making decisions during that process are informal.

58:17It implies to me that your client does not have a formal decision-making process other than whoever's there making decisions.

58:25What would happen to your method if you were presented with a client who had a formalized decision process...

58:33...and would the design be decision driven rather than data driven?

58:37It's a combination of the two. It's not just definitely is not an...I'm showing kind of glimpses of our process...

58:45...but in our actual projects, we use this just like you're sketching on paper and having a discussion with a client.

58:51And if there's a formal review process with the client, yes, that has to be part of the process.

58:55You have to be able to adapt to what the client needs, and each client has different needs...

58:59...but you need to have the information about the project to be able to interact...

59:04...and then become artistic about the decisions that the client wants to ask you.

59:08So it's not...that's another thing I get a lot of.

59:10As an architect, it looks like I'm just automating design and stuff like that...

59:14...but it's...yeah, but it's really kind of's not one or the other.

59:18It's all together. How do you get all this together to make that happen?

59:24Okay, there was something back there?

59:25[Audience question] Yes. It's actually a related question.

59:27I think what you are showing is a process in which speed is emphasized as one of the most positive values here...

59:39...and some of the reasons for that are obvious and very compelling, especially in comparison with slowness.

59:47But I just wonder if you'd like to comment on that a little bit.

59:51Is speed the most compelling value and are there competing values?

59:57Definitely. Speed was an issue here 'cause I had 60 minutes and I wanted to make a point that this is possible...

1:00:02...but really the reason we automate...what I'm saying is, I want to automate the stuff that should be automated... I can spend more time to reflect and slow down, which this allows you to do.

1:00:14It looks like everything's kind of churning like this...

1:00:15...but the reality is you're kind of having pockets of things happening and then you have more options to look at.

1:00:21And then, we use paper and pencil still too.

1:00:24We're still sketching stuff by hand, but speed is not the primary driver.

1:00:28It has to's again, it's not black or white.

1:00:31All this stuff is just another way of doing things and the tools that are available.

1:00:36I think we're at time now, right? If there's any other questions, or we could talk outside if you want?

1:00:43Right, Bill? We're done, right?

1:00:46Yeah. So thank you very much.

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Getting Real with GeoDesign and BIM

At the 2011 GeoDesign Summit, Kimon Onuma delivers his keynote presentation on mashing geospatial models with facility models.

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